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what a truck!!!! Babar Ali Muddesser Asif Rafi Ullah
It's the best truck I ever had -
Point being . Fords quality
Has gone into the garbage
I don't know y
My guess is profits over quality ...
It's sad to say ...
That's why I'm a dodge guy
It's also why you can't be in 1st place. ;)
Dodge has come a long way(I have a 2014 RAM 1500 sitting outside) in the past 7-8yrs. Still, they're behind GM and Ford in many key areas, like interiors, but they do get one great engine from Cummins and it is worthy. I do like the little "ECO" LED in the dash though! I actually like the fuel economy of the 5.7L, which I honestly think is better than the current Ford or GM V8's. The interior is plain though, by comparison and if you upgrade to try matching them, you'll pay more. They each also have a higher tow capacity. Any vehicle can be a lemon, but that doesn't make an entire line "garbage" at all.
I was a ford guy since I was young man , I really was .
Until I bought a 2011 F350
I paid 60k for it - my last dollar ...
& EVERYTHING went wrong with it
The valve covers leaked
The radiator leaked
& the Tranny would jump every morning ... Like clockwork ..
Then I bought a 2500 dodge w/the Cummings
& put 58,000 mi on it in 1yrs , & trust me I Beat that truck to death ...
& it's was Unstoppable ...
NEVER HAD A problem ..
Then I bought a 2013 -3500
better than dodge trannys.
Stick that in your hurt butt Justin
Ford guys can't read I guess, there getting embarrassed by Ram, and it will get worse.
Bob Hall can't write well, clearly... "There?" ... how about they're? Sheesh.
As for the embarrassment, where is it? As I just said above, I have a 2014 RAM 1500 5.7L right outside... I don't embarrass any of my Ford(or GM) friends with it because their trucks can out tow mine and have far nicer interiors... they lack the economy and nothing else.
Being a brand loyal fool is fine, but if you cannot(and you cannot) back up your trash talk with anything legitimate, you shouldn't say it.
Dream on John
For the oil fields try out a Ram Power Wagon! It's a real off road truck that can still be used as a truck! Lockers front and rear, 456 gears, sway bar disconnect s, for 32" of wheel travel, 33" tires, rock rails, rock sliders, skid plates cover everything under the truck, and all have a 12,000 lb warn winch. All this is straight from the factory ! I have one and would have nothing else !
You can't argue with dodge fanboys. There pathetic and don't understand the last good cummins was pre 2007.5. Once the 6.7 came out they are more problematic than the 6.0 ford was
Actually Blake my wife's RAM, her third RAM is always in the shop with shitload of computer issues.
We use it as a car mostly,,,,the Ford works hard every day and will be even more soon pulling its full payload every day,,,,,probably wont outlast the Dodge .
Of you can quit being gay and stop thinking ram is better
i know cummins is good and everything but dodge does not make the the engine like ford makes there owe engine u just have to tune it and u good to go
Ford couldnt beat an inline 6 with their V8 so they have to cheat and use a bigger truck than the competition. Still get pulled by the inline 6.
As if you weren't wrong, and you are, to be sure... at least Ford builds the Ford V8... Dodge buys theirs from Cummins. The Ford transmission is a Ford transmission... Dodge buys theirs from Aisin(sp).
That said, the F-450 gets the same V8 as the F-250 and F-350. It gets a slightly different frame(from the chassis cab) and larger wheels.
Winning with your own product isn't cheating against an opponent who uses the product of another manufacturer entirely.
David Coiner the dodge has the last laugh. While the ford is laughin at the dodge for being rusty the dodge is still going down the road laughin at the broke down ford sittin pretty. You said it yourself cummins outlast powerchoke.
Better get your facts straight Zac
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Ford and Ram are locked in (another) semantics tussle, this time about “class” and while I don’t believe either side is going to win I think this is going to hurt Ford more than it will help. To me best-in-class claims are as useful as championship tires—when you’re the only tire available, a championship seems implicit.
Ford claims best-in-class towing comparing 31,200 pounds for F-450 (32,100 on their consumer site July 29) to Ram 3500’s top 30,000-pound rating. Ram calls shenanigans, the F-450 isn’t in the same class. As defined by government weight schedules both truck’s 14,000-pound GVWR, or empty-plus-payload, makes them class 3 but Ford’s numbers don’t seem to add up.
Ford doesn’t publish curb weight often, but told Automotive News the base curb weight of an F-450 is 8611 pounds and that they calculate payload on a base vehicle with everything that can be deleted on a vehicle order—spare tire, radio, jack, etc. Since the government standards apply to a vehicle in operating condition, that means they have to take more than 60 pounds out of a base F-450 to reach the 5450-pound payload (430 less than a 2014) and stay within DOT Class 3 parameters, but until I can find an XL F-450 I’ll never know what it really weighs. I went to Ford’s build-your-own site and found ZERO delete options available, nor did I find any asterisk the claimed payload requires said deletions.
Curiously, Ford’s 2010 body builder guide claimed a base curb weight (manual 4x4) of 8581 pounds--that before the 6.7 PowerStroke, split-cooling system, six-speed automatic and so on. It further states, “Load rating represents maximum allowable weight of people, cargo and body equipment and is reduced by optional equipment weight.” It says nothing about deleting equipment to reach a load rating.
I used to drive an F-550 with a conversion pickup box on it. Onlookers called it a nice truck, rig, or puller, but no one called it a pickup. And I think regardless of whether the frame rails are straight or beefed up pieces from an F-350 pickup, people are going to know from those parts underneath and 19.5-inch tires that this is no one-ton pickup.
Ford wants you to compare F-450 to Ram and GM 3500 because they have bigger/better numbers that way; if you compare an F-350, Ram 3500 has multiple configurations that tow more than the singular top-rated F-350. And who says Ram won’t put a box on a 4500 or GM introduce one, leaving Ford to explain why their F-450 is in a different class.
Regardless of what the class is or how the numbers fall, this is making Ford look silly in the court of public opinion. How would you like to tell your customer the ratings apply only after you’ve deleted a few useful standard pieces like a spare tire or a radio that might make towing less stressful? Or why parts are more expensive because his “Class 3” F-450 pickup is medium-duty underneath. How those original equipment tires are $150-200 each more expensive than 350/3500 OE tires. Or why it rides this way on 110psi tires rather than 80psi tires.
I bet anyone shopping in this class knows the difference between a one-ton pickup and an F-450, they’re getting bored about all the non-real-world numbers being tossed around. I'll also bet they know what SAE J2807 means. Ford would be better off not comparing F-450 to anything than to something most astute buyers know it isn’t, and that way the only thing they’d have to explain to their customers is why an F-350 costs $3500 less and carries nearly 500 pounds more than the same-configuration F-450.
In the meantime all Ram has to do is carry on with the “best-in-class” plug and a single footnote defining “class” as one-ton 350/3500-series pickups. Who could argue with that?
You're writing was in September, but you used July and 2010 information? Talk about curious...
The SAE J2807 towing standard puts the F-450 at 40,400 total (GCWR) and that's well above the RAM 3500. The F450 did lose 150 lb of payload capacity, but it's still more than RAM, again. It just is what it is and we've known it for awhile now. Who can't argue that?
The F-350 is only rated at 35,000 total... w/ a max tow capacity of 26,500. RAM(37,600 total) clearly beats it. Sadly, Ford also sells the F-450 and that's just life.
RAM does offer a 4500, but it's MAX tow capacity(24,650) is LESS THAN the 3500... talk about curious, all over again. It does have a higher hauling capacity of 8,726 lb and the 3500 has a higher hauling capacity than the F-350 and F-450... there's a talking point for ya.
You'll evidently be forced to get the MEGA CAB to get those highest ratings... NOT CHEAP. The highest ratings seem to be included in the Laramie Limited. Those start at $53,500...
i like u...
See which is running in 10 years...my moneys on the ram.
I also have a DODGE ,,,it my wife's....
Shoulda bought a Chevy!
Its a 6 speed allison transmission
u know guys there is good trucks no matter what brand get over your self they all break man alive
That is why you take a Ford body and axles, Cummins motor, and the 5 speed Allison transmission. Perfect combination.
So so so ugly
Ford never was on top. they saw the light and scrapped their own tow calc as it was flawed...like most fords are.
SEA J2807 says you're wrong.
Also, the 450 is the same frame as a 350, and is a class 3 based on the same rules that ram follows.
I don't think it's the same frame. It's about weight more than anything. The 450 seems to get the chassis cab frame and that's definitely not the same as the 3/4 and 1 ton.
It gets larger wheels and the same drive line in diesel form.
Nonsense ! Fords are Junk
There trannys are garbage 2
I was a ford fan for years
Until I got smart & bought a Dodge Diesel
Dodge doesn't make a diesel.
Ford transmissions are rated as good as the Alison(who I still believe makes them) and they look identical to the Alison.
La misma carrocería de la superduty desde hace como 12 años. ...
Ya just wait for the 15 Cummins, 865 torque
Milton Lopez you must not be able to read.. the F-450 is on a F-350 chassis with different rims and suspension changes. That doesn't make it a class 4 truck. It's only a badge.
Just wait for the 2016 duramax....just wait.
Deve de ser tudo de bom!
You're right about a Cummins outlasting a Powerstroke, but when the Ram body is all rusted inside and out, the Super Duty will be laughing his butt off at you.
Let's see your truck Jimmy
There has been less 6.7 powerstroke warrantee claims than the cummsucker. Get out fool.
International built all Ford diesels until 2010. I love my work 7.3
Adam Matthew WilsonWilson the difference among the fords 250+ are suspention transmission and differential lol
They have never been on top!
Cummins on dodge is better than the .power stroke weak engines.